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RE: [mpi-21] SC'07 MPI Forum organization meeting
Hi,
I think this is a good idea if we agree to hold a couple of meetings in
Europe and Asia, to make the process equally "painful" to everyone.
If that's not an option, I think we should consider relaxing the rules a
little to allow remote attendance, apart from the kickoff meeting and
may be the some milestone meetings, like the final one.
Looking for support from those who will suffer most. ;)
Best regards.
Alexander
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From: owner-mpi-21@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-mpi-21@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Cownie, James H
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:48 AM
To: mpi-21@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [mpi-21] SC'07 MPI Forum organization meeting
> * Form of effort - all electronic, mix of electronic and periodic
> face-to-face meetings, or some other manner.
> * Voting procedures - who can vote, how are votes conducted, etc.
> * Organizational structure - Identify those who will handle forum
> logistics.
Having done HPF, MPI-1 and MPI-2, and seen how OpenMP works, I would
strongly recommend sticking with the original MPI organizational style.
So
1) Have a relatively short timescale (a year at most), so you should
be
aiming to have the work completed to present at SC08.
2) Have regular face-to-face meetings (MPI-1 was every 6 weeks, MPI-2
similar, IIRC).
3) Have voting as one vote per qualifying organization. Qualifying
means
"the organization was represented at 2 of the last 3 meetings
(including this one)". An organization is defined sensibly, so each
national lab gets one vote (they're not all DoE), and each company
or
university gets one vote.
4) Attendance at the meeting is the only qualification criterion for
voting. (No membership dues, beyond the meeting fees which are just
to cover meeting rooms, coffee, hard-copies of materials etc).
Meetings
are open to anyone who is prepared to come.
5) Material has to be approved twice (at two separate meetings) to get
into the standard.
The aim is to ensure that people are committed to working on this
seriously. If they're giving up one week in six that requires much more
effort than an hour's teleconference once a week. The grueling schedule
is enough to keep attendance to a reasonable level. You want to
encourage organizations to send the same people to each meeting, so that
you get a group which gels as the MPI forum, who know and respect each
other.
Of course MPI-1 and MPI-2 were before the advent of wi-fi. You might
want to find meeting rooms which specifically do NOT have wireless
access :-)
Basically this isn't intended to be a pleasant experience. By the end of
it you want everyone to be glad it's over :-)
-- Jim
James Cownie <james.h.cownie@xxxxxxxxx>
SSG/DPD/PAT
Tel: +44 117 9071438
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-mpi-21@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-mpi-21@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Richard Graham
> Sent: 12 October 2007 17:48
> To: mpi-21@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [mpi-21] SC'07 MPI Forum organization meeting
>
> As previously announced, we will be holding a meeting on Wed. Nov.
14th,
> from 5:30 pm to 7:00 pm in room D6 at the Sparks convention center in
Reno
> -
> site of SC'07. The intent of the meeting is to organize for an active
> period of the MPI forum. The proposed agenda is:
>
> * Introduction: why restart the forum discussions
> * Scope of effort - discussion. There is a wide range of opinions on
how
> to proceed, with a clear need for clarifications and simple
corrections to
> the 2.0 standard (such as changing the size of the length parameter
used
> in
> MPI send functions), as well as a desire for larger changes to the
> standard,
> such as adding functionality to support process fault tolerance. We
need
> to
> decide if to consider both types of of changes in a single standard
> change,
> as parallel but distinct set of changes to the standard, or some other
> approach.
> * Form of effort - all electronic, mix of electronic and periodic
> face-to-face meetings, or some other manner.
> * Voting procedures - who can vote, how are votes conducted, etc.
> * Organizational structure - Identify those who will handle forum
> logistics.
>
> If time permits:
> * List of initial topics of interest. I will compile a list of
initial
> items, so please send topics of interest to mpi-21@xxxxxxxxxxxxx .
>
> Please feel free to comment on the agenda, and more important, please
plan
> to attend.
>
> Thanks,
> Rich Graham
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